Was I Too Harsh?

Well, maybe a little...

I'm a member of Atheist-World Yahoo Group (nearly defunct and moving to Atheists-World: long story...) and we recently received a new member who wanted to help us.

She offered a link to her own site, requesting that we try it for 30 days, taking the polls and doing, well, I'm not sure what... LOL! Not until she clarified one of your group member's questions that is. The first block quote is Danielle's response to my fellow group member. Be sure to click on the link and read what Carol posted. I've seen it before but it still gives goosebumps for its origins. It's Excellent reading!

The second blockquote is my own reply to Danielle. And so, Danielle...

I do not have the time to answer all of your questions at one time, I know people are busy that is why I chose a "bite size" newsletter, as to not throw everything at you at once therefore all questions will not be answered in a day. As for the ads on yahoo, I have no control over them, it is part of their free site, I do not have the resources to upgrade right now, as I am just returned to work from a six month medical leave I had no control over. Student loans, 5 more car payments, groceries for a family, water bills, rent, electric, I think take higher priority over paying for a website right now. The ads are from yahoo, why on earth would I choose the ads they put on there as my own if I were in control?

If you want answers faster, I highly recommend the following resources.

Second, I highly recommend you read the following books:

This one by a humanist as yourself and doesn't believe in a "god"

1.) Darwin’s Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution by Michael J. Behe

2.) in Six Days: Why 50 scientists choose to believe in creation edited byJohn F. Ashton, PhD

3.) on the Seventh Day: Forty scientists and academics explain why they believe in God also edited by John F. Ashton, PhD.

There are also books you can read online at

http://www.answersingenesis.org/cec/online_resources.asp including The Answers Book which will answer many of your questions.

You can also find answers online that I will use in my newsletter at:

http://www.livingwaters.com/witnessingtool/browse.shtml

You have only seen my work for a few days, and that is not enough to judge me, I have seen you twist my kind words into hatred, which tells me you have a hardened heart which I am sad for whomever made you that way, yet I too, don't know you well enough to make that judgement. I have obviously hit a sore spot knowing how many times you have written. I don't have the time (since I have a family, etc.), nor will I debate you everyday, I am not going to try to change your mind, I am just sharing knowledge, some copy and pasting which I will leave my resource behind, I realized after day 2, I had forgotten to add it and that I apologize. Some will be my own stories. I hope to finish changing over the surveys to the atheist site soon, right now you have click on my main site and scroll down to answer it. I will be adding a new one soon.

The challenge is basically, after 30 days, will you still think the same way? If so fine, if not, even better. I have learned, you have learned. We move on. You are not forced to read my stuff, nor am I yours, we read them because we want to. After the 30 days, I will leave all the newsletter material on my website along with all my emails, and survey answers. Science is what is observable, repeatable and testable. People have the right to observe, repeat and test ideas and theories to come to their own conclusions and not rely merely on others for their answers. That is what my newsletter is about, to open minds, let people judge for themselves. You obviously are, I am, and others will too. That is what makes it great.

I will leave you with on final thought since we all think we are basically good people. Have you taken the survey at www.needgod.com yet? It is not my own, but the survey is called "Do you consider yourself to be a good person?, It is quite interesting.

I have tried to write to you in kindness, but obviously you like to twist my words around before you have the full story, give me the benefit of the doubt before you let your hatred come out please. I will continue to be kind, but ask before prejudging me please.

As always, in Kindness,

Danielle,

(I cannot always right back in such long emails but will still try to answer your questions, right now, I have to call my doctor, my work, and spend time with my kids. Yes, I am a normal person just like you.)

Here is my, slightly, aggressive reply.

Dearest Danielle

You may want to actually apply critical thinking skills when reading: 1.) Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution by Michael J. Behe
This may help you understand why it is bunk and completely lacking in the discipline and honesty which the scientific methods demands.

I've never heard of either of these until now.

2.) in Six Days: Why 50 scientists choose to believe in creation edited byJohn F. Ashton, PhD

3.) on the Seventh Day: Forty scientists and academics explain why they believe in God also edited by John F. Ashton, PhD.

Here's what I know of its author though. Google says very little about the man outside those particular works. Perhaps I'm missing something but I'll wait until I hear of any contributions of value this man may eventually offer. I won't hold my breath.

There are also books you can read online at

http://www.answersingenesis.org/cec/online_resources.asp including The Answers Book which will answer many of your questions.

Ahhhh... www.answersingenesis.... Okidoke... {rollingeyes} "Seek truth for authority, not authority for truth." Here is free advice: remember that saying when reading anything!

You have only seen my work for a few days, and that is not enough to judge me, I have seen you twist my kind words into hatred,

Hhhmmm... You invite us to exchange our innate and natural ability to reason by subsuming it someone else's belief system. We expose you as the fraud you are. And we are somehow twisting "kind words into hatred..." OooohhhK then...

... you have a hardened heart which I am sad for whomever made you that way,

Bad read girl.

yet I too, don't know you well enough to make that judgement.

Oops! You got something right! Better be carefull or you might learn how to do it more frequently! LOL!

I don't have the time (since I have a family, etc.), nor will I debate you everyday, I am not going to try to change your mind, I am just sharing knowledge, some (quote mining)

'nuff said

I hope to finish changing over the surveys to the atheist site soon, right now you have click on my main site and scroll down to answer it. I will be adding a new one soon.

Excellent! Good luck fleecin' the sheep!

The challenge is basically, after 30 days, will you still think the same way?

How about after 30 years of suffering such IDiocy from our friend's, family members, society at large, you go away and believe in your Sky-Daddy numbskullery on your own, with your friends, family members, and a slowly evolving though ever so slightly less frothingly delirious society at large?

If so fine, if not, even better. I have learned,

I doubt it...

you have learned.

Yes. How to deal sarcastically with a nutter such as yourself who has NO Respect for your own species' intellectual capacity.

That is what my newsletter is about, to open minds, let people judge for themselves.

As long as they forgo science, according to Henry Zuill, one of PhD Ashton's shill buddies.

I will leave you with on final thought since we all think we are basically good people.

I think you and your kind are very BAD people and I think so because you demonstrate it with cruelty and ignorance which is unforgivable. You "preach" tolerance and love and make promises for a mythological non-sequitor (that's yer God honey) which, even were they conceivably possible, would be abominations against natural morality and human decency. "Love HIM or burn in Hell for all eternity!" Well, isn't that so kind and loving and special...

Yes, I am a normal person just like you.)

You, my sweet IDiot, are very little like me where it counts, and I fully support your right to be so. But to be clear, Rights are given To People, By People. Your "rights" on this group are to express what you will and to be treated accordingly.

You were conceived as were we all, by a pair of sexually active homo sapien mammals. You have the potential of a species evolved primarily because of its intellectual capacity, and yet, like billions of others, you refuse to embrace the reality of your existence. Now THAT is sad and unforgivable.

With all respect,

Danielle

You might be a good person if you weren't hell bent on converting rational people (or just plain suckers even!) to your discredited and immoral beliefs.

With respect for your right to make a fool of yourself or to observe and learn and, quite likely, contribute some of your observations and anecdotes on how to live a good life and deal with obstinate ignorami who accuse you of doing exactly what they are doing to you,

Michael Bains

Well, I've never denied that I'm a silly human as well... I was basically just pissed that people decide they have a right to evangelize in places where it is obvious such a thing will not be appreciated. I even got so ticked off one time over a comment about Brian Flemming's blog being "dangerously educated" that I did exactly what I'm complaining about now! I joined the Women of Faith message board in order to "share my thoughts" with them!

Silly Human indeed...